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		<title>By: banditangel</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/06/14/how-do-you-figure-2/#comment-2736</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trigonometry was my biggest headache in High School - I actually had to relearn most of what I just explained to me, since it never quite stuck with me back then. It's one of the less "intuitive" areas of math, at least in my opinion. Once you get a good grip on the basic formulas, though, it's a fairly useful branch since it's the stuff you use on all the graphs that aren't nice, neat right angles :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trigonometry was my biggest headache in High School - I actually had to relearn most of what I just explained to me, since it never quite stuck with me back then. It&#8217;s one of the less &#8220;intuitive&#8221; areas of math, at least in my opinion. Once you get a good grip on the basic formulas, though, it&#8217;s a fairly useful branch since it&#8217;s the stuff you use on all the graphs that aren&#8217;t nice, neat right angles <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jaxia</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I'd rather stick to the basics myself.  This is a prime example of why I'm getting a BA instead of a BS :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d rather stick to the basics myself.  This is a prime example of why I&#8217;m getting a BA instead of a BS <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jaxia</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I basically took one look at the trig section of the practice test and decided I'd need to retake it.  Once we got to sin, cos and tan, I quit paying attention in class :)

Thanks for your help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I basically took one look at the trig section of the practice test and decided I&#8217;d need to retake it.  Once we got to sin, cos and tan, I quit paying attention in class <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks for your help!</p>
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		<title>By: maskedfencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OW.</description>
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		<title>By: grizzilla</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, yet another stellar example of why I am not a mathematician.

But it looks like you got the help you needed :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, yet another stellar example of why I am not a mathematician.</p>
<p>But it looks like you got the help you needed <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: banditangel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graphing problems tend to be something you'd work out visually, but there is a formula. Given that I couldn't even understand what the question was asking until I got the answer and then Yarha's explanation of the answer, however, I can't be the best person to ask ;)

We'll start by computing the x value

Since C is the bisector (halfway between A and B), that means that the distance A-to-C equals the distance B-to-C. We know that the distance from A-to-C is 6 (2 minus -4), so B-to-C must also be 6. Adding these two together, we get a total distance of 12 from A-to-B. -4 plus a distance of 12 gives a result of 8, and thus B is at (8,y)

Next we define y (although you could have started here). Perpendicular requires that A-C be at a 90 degree angle to line C, so since C is horizontal, A-B must be vertical. That means that the y-value of A must equal the y-value of B. Since A has a y-value of 1, B must be (x,1)

Putting the two together, we get the result of B=8,1.

This method is only recommended for people that are horrible at visualization, or for really psychotic problems. The sad thing is I used to do the really psychotic ones, and now I have to look up both bisect and perpendicular :)



Now, what if they're not nice right angles? Suprisingly, this isn't too much harder. You'll have to have C as either a point (both coordinates), or else an angle and one coordinate (which is harder), since just one coordinate wouln't yield a single answer anymore.

Assuming that C is a point, we just calculate the following:
[(y-value of C) minus (y-value of A)] * 2 = (y-distance)
Then, the (y-value of A) plus (y-distance) = (y-value of B)
Repeat subsitituting x for y.

To solve the above problem using this method:
1) We first have to compute the y-value of the point where C will intersect A-B. Using that note on perpendiculars again, we know that this must be 1. Therefor, the intersection point (D) will be at 2,1

(2 minus -4) * 2 = a y-distance of 12
(1 minus 1) * 2 = an x-distance of 0

-4 + 12 = a (y-value of B) of 8
1 + 0 = an (x-value of B) of 1

So that gives B = 8,1



That leaves us with the last possibility, which is the angle and only one coordinate for C. This is not as easy, but still not &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; hard (in fact, the problem above gives us x=2, angle=0, it's just that angles of 0 or 90 are much easier). What we need to do is figure out the second coordinate through the miracle of Trigonometry. &lt;i&gt;{the italic bits in these braces are sidenotes}&lt;/i&gt;

Let's use an example: Say that C is angle 45, and x=0. We know that A-B is perpendicular, and thus has an angle equal to (angle of C) plus 90. In this case, that gives us the angle of A-B as 135.

Now, the hard part: We can still solve the known-value (in this case x) the same way. In this case, the x-distance is 8. However, we need to figure out how much y changes in respect to x.

As it happens, there's a geometric function called the Arc-Tangent which gives us the x/y ratio &lt;i&gt;{the Tangent is the y/x ratio, which you'd use instead if you only know y and the angle}&lt;/i&gt;.

The formula here would be that y-distance = x-distance * tangent(angle of C)

In this case, the tangent of 45 is 1 &lt;i&gt;{easy!}&lt;/i&gt;, so that gives the y-distance = 8 * 1, or just plain 8.



At this point we're done with the formulas, but here's some notes on this stuff:

The [Tangent of an angle] is usually referred to as tan(angle). The [ArcTangent of an angle] is referred to as arctan(angle) or atan(angle)

Note that for angle 0, the y-distance will always be 0; and for angle 90 the x-distance will always be 0. Tan(0) and Tan(90) will both crash your calculator :)

Note also that calculating tangents (or arc-tangents, or sines or cosines... all of the trigometric functions) is something done with a calculator, not by hand.

The windows calculator supports sin, cos and tan. To get arctan, just do tan^-1 (arctan = inverse of tan). Equally, arccos = cos^-1, and arcsin = sin^-1. To access these features, go to View, then select Scientific. &lt;i&gt;{You can also do fun stuff like hexadecimal and binary in scientific mode}&lt;/i&gt;



Hopefully that made sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graphing problems tend to be something you&#8217;d work out visually, but there is a formula. Given that I couldn&#8217;t even understand what the question was asking until I got the answer and then Yarha&#8217;s explanation of the answer, however, I can&#8217;t be the best person to ask <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
We&#8217;ll start by computing the x value</p>
<p>Since C is the bisector (halfway between A and B), that means that the distance A-to-C equals the distance B-to-C. We know that the distance from A-to-C is 6 (2 minus -4), so B-to-C must also be 6. Adding these two together, we get a total distance of 12 from A-to-B. -4 plus a distance of 12 gives a result of 8, and thus B is at (8,y)</p>
<p>Next we define y (although you could have started here). Perpendicular requires that A-C be at a 90 degree angle to line C, so since C is horizontal, A-B must be vertical. That means that the y-value of A must equal the y-value of B. Since A has a y-value of 1, B must be (x,1)</p>
<p>Putting the two together, we get the result of B=8,1.</p>
<p>This method is only recommended for people that are horrible at visualization, or for really psychotic problems. The sad thing is I used to do the really psychotic ones, and now I have to look up both bisect and perpendicular <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now, what if they&#8217;re not nice right angles? Suprisingly, this isn&#8217;t too much harder. You&#8217;ll have to have C as either a point (both coordinates), or else an angle and one coordinate (which is harder), since just one coordinate wouln&#8217;t yield a single answer anymore.</p>
<p>Assuming that C is a point, we just calculate the following:<br />
[(y-value of C) minus (y-value of A)] * 2 = (y-distance)<br />
Then, the (y-value of A) plus (y-distance) = (y-value of B)<br />
Repeat subsitituting x for y.</p>
<p>To solve the above problem using this method:<br />
1) We first have to compute the y-value of the point where C will intersect A-B. Using that note on perpendiculars again, we know that this must be 1. Therefor, the intersection point (D) will be at 2,1</p>
<p>(2 minus -4) * 2 = a y-distance of 12<br />
(1 minus 1) * 2 = an x-distance of 0</p>
<p>-4 + 12 = a (y-value of B) of 8<br />
1 + 0 = an (x-value of B) of 1</p>
<p>So that gives B = 8,1</p>
<p>That leaves us with the last possibility, which is the angle and only one coordinate for C. This is not as easy, but still not <i>too</i> hard (in fact, the problem above gives us x=2, angle=0, it&#8217;s just that angles of 0 or 90 are much easier). What we need to do is figure out the second coordinate through the miracle of Trigonometry. <i>{the italic bits in these braces are sidenotes}</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s use an example: Say that C is angle 45, and x=0. We know that A-B is perpendicular, and thus has an angle equal to (angle of C) plus 90. In this case, that gives us the angle of A-B as 135.</p>
<p>Now, the hard part: We can still solve the known-value (in this case x) the same way. In this case, the x-distance is 8. However, we need to figure out how much y changes in respect to x.</p>
<p>As it happens, there&#8217;s a geometric function called the Arc-Tangent which gives us the x/y ratio <i>{the Tangent is the y/x ratio, which you&#8217;d use instead if you only know y and the angle}</i>.</p>
<p>The formula here would be that y-distance = x-distance * tangent(angle of C)</p>
<p>In this case, the tangent of 45 is 1 <i>{easy!}</i>, so that gives the y-distance = 8 * 1, or just plain 8.</p>
<p>At this point we&#8217;re done with the formulas, but here&#8217;s some notes on this stuff:</p>
<p>The [Tangent of an angle] is usually referred to as tan(angle). The [ArcTangent of an angle] is referred to as arctan(angle) or atan(angle)</p>
<p>Note that for angle 0, the y-distance will always be 0; and for angle 90 the x-distance will always be 0. Tan(0) and Tan(90) will both crash your calculator <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Note also that calculating tangents (or arc-tangents, or sines or cosines&#8230; all of the trigometric functions) is something done with a calculator, not by hand.</p>
<p>The windows calculator supports sin, cos and tan. To get arctan, just do tan^-1 (arctan = inverse of tan). Equally, arccos = cos^-1, and arcsin = sin^-1. To access these features, go to View, then select Scientific. <i>{You can also do fun stuff like hexadecimal and binary in scientific mode}</i></p>
<p>Hopefully that made sense!</p>
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		<title>By: tarss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okies I could be miss understanding your answer here but the formula I gave made Bx as 8 not 5  :)

Bx = 2C - Ax   is
Bx = ( 2 times C )  -  -4
thus Bx =  (4) -  -4
Bx = 4 +4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okies I could be miss understanding your answer here but the formula I gave made Bx as 8 not 5  <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Bx = 2C - Ax   is<br />
Bx = ( 2 times C )  -  -4<br />
thus Bx =  (4) -  -4<br />
Bx = 4 +4</p>
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		<title>By: yarha</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeppers, 'bisect' passes through exactly half of the thing bisected, hence 'bi' and 'sect'. This, of course, sets me up for the tag-line...

Yarha, Bisectual :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeppers, &#8216;bisect&#8217; passes through exactly half of the thing bisected, hence &#8216;bi&#8217; and &#8217;sect&#8217;. This, of course, sets me up for the tag-line&#8230;</p>
<p>Yarha, Bisectual <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jaxia</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I forgot that bisect meant exactly half.  I was thinking "intersect."

How good are you with geometry?  ;)  It's funny how much of this stuff I don't remember.  All in all, I'm doing better than I thought on this practice test though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I forgot that bisect meant exactly half.  I was thinking &#8220;intersect.&#8221;</p>
<p>How good are you with geometry?  <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s funny how much of this stuff I don&#8217;t remember.  All in all, I&#8217;m doing better than I thought on this practice test though.</p>
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		<title>By: thecanadian_97</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, since I missed the part about wanting a formula, no, it's much easier to just draw it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, since I missed the part about wanting a formula, no, it&#8217;s much easier to just draw it out.</p>
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