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		<title>By: Jaxia</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocrmid - It looks great to me!  I'm still trying to process everything, and I don't understand all of it, but it does explain a lot.  In class, we are still reviewing the history of C and how it compares to other languages, so I haven't had to start developing anything yet.
(and, I somehow lost the email, but I don't mind the nod in my direction :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocrmid - It looks great to me!  I&#8217;m still trying to process everything, and I don&#8217;t understand all of it, but it does explain a lot.  In class, we are still reviewing the history of C and how it compares to other languages, so I haven&#8217;t had to start developing anything yet.<br />
(and, I somehow lost the email, but I don&#8217;t mind the nod in my direction <img src='http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, start at http://ODMA.info/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050901.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, start at <a href="http://ODMA.info/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050901.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ODMA.info/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050901.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have completed as much as I can right now.   The part on setting up Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 for safe operation is still pretty sketchy but there are lots of screen shots.  Start at 
http://ODMA.info/odma/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050901.htm
for the whole story.

This material can be shared as widely as you want, and I welcome feedback.  I tend to over-write and then simplify in later revisions, as you might be able to tell from all of those long pages [;&#60;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have completed as much as I can right now.   The part on setting up Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 for safe operation is still pretty sketchy but there are lots of screen shots.  Start at<br />
<a href="http://ODMA.info/odma/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050901.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ODMA.info/odma/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050901.htm</a><br />
for the whole story.</p>
<p>This material can be shared as widely as you want, and I welcome feedback.  I tend to over-write and then simplify in later revisions, as you might be able to tell from all of those long pages [;&lt;).</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxia</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this class is starting with the "History of C," I think I am in the right class.  The next lesson covers the structure of a program and is due next Thursday.  I have some stuff to get done for my lit class before I go out of town tomorrow, but I will read these when I get back.  It looks like a great resource!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this class is starting with the &#8220;History of C,&#8221; I think I am in the right class.  The next lesson covers the structure of a program and is due next Thursday.  I have some stuff to get done for my lit class before I go out of town tomorrow, but I will read these when I get back.  It looks like a great resource!</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
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		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that took much longer than I thought, but I also discovered something else I needed for my thesis project [;&#60;).

My recommendations are on-line at http://ODMA.info/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050903b.htm

I also have some suggestions to make on downloading and setting up Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003.  There are placeholders for now.  I'll let you know when there is something useful.  

I welcome review on all of this materials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that took much longer than I thought, but I also discovered something else I needed for my thesis project [;&lt;).</p>
<p>My recommendations are on-line at <a href="http://ODMA.info/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050903b.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ODMA.info/active/ODMref10/tools/Q050903b.htm</a></p>
<p>I also have some suggestions to make on downloading and setting up Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003.  There are placeholders for now.  I&#8217;ll let you know when there is something useful.  </p>
<p>I welcome review on all of this materials.</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 05:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did manage to spend some time at Barnes &#38; Noble.  I came away with two books and references on others.  I also started writing up my use of the Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 for my dissertation.

I'll put my notes on a web page or two and tell you where to find them when they are ready.  I'll be doing that Thursday morning (Pacific Daylight Time = gmt - 0700).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did manage to spend some time at Barnes &amp; Noble.  I came away with two books and references on others.  I also started writing up my use of the Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 for my dissertation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put my notes on a web page or two and tell you where to find them when they are ready.  I&#8217;ll be doing that Thursday morning (Pacific Daylight Time = gmt - 0700).</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  I was digging around with Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 today, because it figures in my M.Sc in IT dissertation project.  I need to comment on Brian Johnson's blog about some problems I noticed.

Meanwhile, unless you are going to make real Windows applications, you can get a long ways with the Toolkit.  I have some tips for you.  My first tip is do not create projects in the C:\Program Files\ directory even though that's what the examples do.  That's a bad practice.  If you haven't tripped over it, it probably means you're running as Administrator or a Power user. The toolkit has no need for special privileges and it is better to operate as a limited user.  It will save you from bugs caused by your first programs crashing and damaging something while they do it.

This does mean you'll need to customize the batch files that setup what the toolkit programs need to find everything.  I have done that once and I need to do it again.  I'm in a small crunch to produce a draft document, but this weekend may be a good time for me to post some tips and samples that may help you as well as people who may want to try out my project samples.

Check the book to see the kinds of programs you will be writing.  If there are actual Windows applications, the Toolkit is insufficient. Although you can download  the Platform SDK (or pay under $10 shipping to get a CD-ROM) and have all of the libraries you need, there are other tools that are needed for building a full-up Windows GUI application.  The easy way to get those is with an educational version of Visual Studio.  The Borland Builder that comes with some books may be a good alternative too.

I'll look while I'm in bookstores tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  I was digging around with Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 today, because it figures in my M.Sc in IT dissertation project.  I need to comment on Brian Johnson&#8217;s blog about some problems I noticed.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, unless you are going to make real Windows applications, you can get a long ways with the Toolkit.  I have some tips for you.  My first tip is do not create projects in the C:\Program Files\ directory even though that&#8217;s what the examples do.  That&#8217;s a bad practice.  If you haven&#8217;t tripped over it, it probably means you&#8217;re running as Administrator or a Power user. The toolkit has no need for special privileges and it is better to operate as a limited user.  It will save you from bugs caused by your first programs crashing and damaging something while they do it.</p>
<p>This does mean you&#8217;ll need to customize the batch files that setup what the toolkit programs need to find everything.  I have done that once and I need to do it again.  I&#8217;m in a small crunch to produce a draft document, but this weekend may be a good time for me to post some tips and samples that may help you as well as people who may want to try out my project samples.</p>
<p>Check the book to see the kinds of programs you will be writing.  If there are actual Windows applications, the Toolkit is insufficient. Although you can download  the Platform SDK (or pay under $10 shipping to get a CD-ROM) and have all of the libraries you need, there are other tools that are needed for building a full-up Windows GUI application.  The easy way to get those is with an educational version of Visual Studio.  The Borland Builder that comes with some books may be a good alternative too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look while I&#8217;m in bookstores tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxia</title>
		<link>http://www.youknowyouwanna.net/2005/09/04/i-need-a-compiler/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orcmid - Wow!  Thanks so much for all of that information.  This class is the intro class for computer science majors, so I'm stuck with trying to figure it out.  The books for class do appear to start at a fairly low level, though.  I think maybe the teacher just got ahead of himself with expecting us to know which compiler to use.  I did download Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003, but if it is not a good tool for just getting started, I think I will buy a book/software as you suggest.  If you have a moment at the bookstore, I would love some suggestions.

Teresa - I'm taking this class online, and something happened with the first teacher, so they had someone else jump in and take over.  I think that this new teacher is just winging it.  I've heard good things about Borland's C compiler; I will have to take a look at it.  Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orcmid - Wow!  Thanks so much for all of that information.  This class is the intro class for computer science majors, so I&#8217;m stuck with trying to figure it out.  The books for class do appear to start at a fairly low level, though.  I think maybe the teacher just got ahead of himself with expecting us to know which compiler to use.  I did download Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003, but if it is not a good tool for just getting started, I think I will buy a book/software as you suggest.  If you have a moment at the bookstore, I would love some suggestions.</p>
<p>Teresa - I&#8217;m taking this class online, and something happened with the first teacher, so they had someone else jump in and take over.  I think that this new teacher is just winging it.  I&#8217;ve heard good things about Borland&#8217;s C compiler; I will have to take a look at it.  Thanks for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think orcmid covered most everything - it's been years since I've bought a compiler.  But first check with your school bookstore and see if you can get any of those titles at a student discount.  

I've used older versions of Borland's C compiler and I was always happy with them.  As for your teacher - possibly he could suggest one that he likes or that the school offers at a discounted price.  

What your teacher needs to know is that he has a compiler that can recompile the code you send to him. (Although I never had a teacher recompile my code - I would just turn in the printed out text file and the results pages along with the floppy disk - yeah this was years ago)  I find this interesting because schools used to give you the compiler - or tell you which one you needed for the class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think orcmid covered most everything - it&#8217;s been years since I&#8217;ve bought a compiler.  But first check with your school bookstore and see if you can get any of those titles at a student discount.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used older versions of Borland&#8217;s C compiler and I was always happy with them.  As for your teacher - possibly he could suggest one that he likes or that the school offers at a discounted price.  </p>
<p>What your teacher needs to know is that he has a compiler that can recompile the code you send to him. (Although I never had a teacher recompile my code - I would just turn in the printed out text file and the results pages along with the floppy disk - yeah this was years ago)  I find this interesting because schools used to give you the compiler - or tell you which one you needed for the class.</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
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		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I used a &#60; character in the previous note and it cut all of the remaining PSs off.  One last bit.  If you choose to try the free Visual C++ Toolkit 2003, let me know: I have some tips about getting around some installation hurdles.  It helps to know how to write batch files to use that package, by the way.  You will need a text editor, although Notepad works well enough for starters.

Finally, I'll be near a convenient Barnes &#38; Noble on Wednesday when I go near a shopping center to donate blood.  If you're still looking by then, I'll take another look for good starter texts on programming and C++ that include the necessary software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I used a &lt; character in the previous note and it cut all of the remaining PSs off.  One last bit.  If you choose to try the free Visual C++ Toolkit 2003, let me know: I have some tips about getting around some installation hurdles.  It helps to know how to write batch files to use that package, by the way.  You will need a text editor, although Notepad works well enough for starters.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;ll be near a convenient Barnes &amp; Noble on Wednesday when I go near a shopping center to donate blood.  If you&#8217;re still looking by then, I&#8217;ll take another look for good starter texts on programming and C++ that include the necessary software.</p>
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